JB’s Dad (Demi’s Manager) Support Demi On The View!

He’s in the Beginning! Soon to be father in law!

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103 Responses to “JB’s Dad (Demi’s Manager) Support Demi On The View!”

  1. 1 kATHY
    July 24, 2009 at 4:14 am

    lol i the first video, at the end, shes so random1 lol “That’s Wats Up”

  2. 2 LovezDemiii
    July 24, 2009 at 6:03 am

    lol I love Whoopi! It’s so cool how Demi always starys real and acts how she normally acts. Se just doesn’t care what other people think. I love her and her new cd is the best ever. I seriously like every single song on there. I have never had a cd where I’ve liked every single song. Thats crazy!

  3. 3 you go, glen coco, you go!
    July 24, 2009 at 7:34 am

    thas wassup.

  4. 4 you go, glen coco, you go!
    July 24, 2009 at 7:42 am

    lmfao, the one with jimmy fallon was funny.

    • 5 blingblingbuddies
      July 24, 2009 at 4:19 pm

      yah it was ohh and you know jow when he was bringing out the alagator i tjought he said JEMI at one point then when i played it back he did then i looked at demi and she snaped her haid to look at him then had a shocked look on her face

      • 6 Becky
        July 24, 2009 at 6:37 pm

        Really, the alligator guy said JEMI? I’m gonna have to go back and watch it again. I don’t remember hearing him say that, and I’ve watched it quite a few times. It’s soo funny!! Love Jimmy Fallon!

      • 7 Jessica
        July 25, 2009 at 12:54 am

        lol he said JIMMY ! not Jemi

    • 8 kATHY
      July 25, 2009 at 12:08 pm

      lol, that show wiith demi was funny, the little ass baby spider monkey was ADORABLE. i want one! ^_^

  5. 9 blarg
    July 24, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    what? what aligator guy? Huh???

    • 10 Becky
      July 24, 2009 at 10:10 pm

      When Demi was on Late Night w/Jimmy Fallon, there was a guy with like exotic pets, one was an american alligator. Demi petted it and she held like a little monkey. It was cute and hilarious.

      • 11 blarg
        July 24, 2009 at 11:32 pm

        haaha aww! lol she said she always wanted a snake, so im not surprised! so did the guy say Jemi ?? that would be so weird cuz, how would the guy know or care about jemi?

  6. 12 josephine m
    July 25, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    hahaa demi and jimmy fallon were hilarious with their yt video omg it would make my life if jemi made a youtube video together lol it would be so funny and epic

    • 13 Becky
      July 25, 2009 at 7:00 pm

      You got that right. Joe and Demi doing a yt video would be like soo hilarious. I miss her yt videos with selena 😦

  7. 14 Tessa
    July 26, 2009 at 8:05 am

    Soon-to-be father in law! Haha, that would be sweet. πŸ™‚

    I love when Demi’s like, “and that’s what’s up.”


  8. 15 you go, glen coco, you go!
    July 26, 2009 at 8:54 am

    i think something’s going on between demi and dirk mai..

    • 16 you go, glen coco, you go!
      July 26, 2009 at 4:25 pm

      but that’s kinda nasty.
      he’s 23.

      • 17 racheLLe
        July 27, 2009 at 3:06 pm

        i think dirk mai is one of her photographers i dont know im not sure but i think he is…

  9. 18 jamie
    July 26, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    lol.i love the end.
    “dat’s whats up” lol.
    gotta love demi she is hilarious:)
    and love how you guys wrote
    “soon to be father in law”

  10. 19 Becky
    July 27, 2009 at 2:01 am

    Hey guys!! Nothing is confirmed, but word on twitter is that Joe and Camilla have split up. Some reports have him crying during Gotta Find You and changing the lyrics in Much Better. I bet after his brothers and mama/papa jonas, he called Demi. Demi is his guardian angel after all. πŸ™‚

    • 20 kATHY
      July 27, 2009 at 2:43 am

      r u serious!?! I MEAN, on JOE crying during Gotta Find You and changing the lyrics in Much Better.

      ——————–i know about the “word on twitter with JOE and Camil split up.

      • 21 Becky
        July 27, 2009 at 7:16 am

        That’s what some are saying. Some are saying that during the soundcheck, m&g he was his happy, go lucky, old self. Some ppl that where there are saying he was crying cause of the fans. This to me sounds a little weird. I mean, how many times has he sung this song in concert, and this is the first time he’s cried during it? that just doesnt’t make any sense to me. Maybe I’m overanalyzing it to much. And I think someone on twitter tweeted that E!News was talking about it too.

      • 22 kATHY
        July 27, 2009 at 6:49 pm

        AWESOME. this has made my day. But like they say, Karma is a bitch and some Camill hater’s smelled something funky about Camil. JOe GO! With Demi, try to work it out during CR2!! ^_^

    • 23 kATHY
      July 27, 2009 at 5:17 pm

      whoa!, thats nutz. that would be odd. BUT SO GLAD THEY”RE OVER!!! YAY. well, that’s what JemistryTeam on twitter courageously said “Yup. It’s over. Joe and Camilla are DONE.” to @perezhilton

      • 24 Becky
        July 27, 2009 at 6:28 pm

        E!News is reporting that Camilla’s rep confirmed the split.

    • 25 jamie
      July 29, 2009 at 4:40 am

      its confirmed.camillas rep said that there was no third party involved.they said it on e news yesterday:0
      and whats your twitter?

      • 26 Becky
        July 29, 2009 at 6:15 am

        my twitter is; blak4ever. whats ur’s?

      • 27 jamie
        July 29, 2009 at 6:21 am

        its jamierocks5195.

  11. 28 :D
    July 27, 2009 at 2:52 am

    okay. i believe that joe said “now i’m done with MOVIE STARS” in much better.

    i listened to is at least five times to make sure, but what do you think?

    • 29 maroussia
      July 27, 2009 at 12:35 pm

      He did say movie stars πŸ™‚

  12. July 27, 2009 at 9:35 am

    ya i just found out that camilla become the trending topic on twitter cos there’s a news she’s breaking up wif joe
    is it true?? i wish it is πŸ˜€

  13. 31 maroussia
    July 27, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    YESSSSSSSS !!!!! He did say
    -ow im done with movie stars

  14. 32 Jemi:)
    July 27, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    omj. yesss. E!News said that its official:) THEY BROKE UP!:) i dont care if thry’re frensss but if tries to mess with Jemi her head is mine!!!

  15. 33 josephine m
    July 27, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    i so glad they broke up he is better without her there was always something about her fans didnt like and we were right ,i know this doesnt mean jemi will get together right now but seeing as both joe and demi broke up with someone in the same month within days is telling me faith is working its magic all we need is for them to stay single until cr2 and her going to some of their tour dates after cr2 to realize whats in front of them she will be 17 in a few weeks august 20 1 step closer to 18 i think jemi cant hold out til then if their waiting until shes 18 i really can see her as being the one chosen to be joe future wife just look how happy kanielle is and demi and danielle are very close it’ll be 1 big happy family come on jemi give in all ready lol

    • 34 Becky
      July 27, 2009 at 6:23 pm

      Hey josephine m. You make a good point. While I didn’t hate Camilla, there was just something about her that rubbed me the wrong way. I think it is kind of ironic that both Joe and Demi split from their significant others in the same month and within weeks of each other. Can we say it’s fait! πŸ˜€ Well, we know who Joe went to talk to, his guardian angel Demi :). I agree, seems like Danielle, Demi, and Selena are very close. I wouldn’t be surprised if Danielle asked Demi to be one of her bridesmaids.

      • 35 kATHY
        July 28, 2009 at 12:22 am

        close August 15 is his birthday (i had to look it up, just to make sure) BUT anyways.. that would be cute! both birthdays celebrated together! awwww!

    • 36 kATHY
      July 27, 2009 at 6:46 pm

      i agree with your idea, awesome. wow already her birthday is coming.

      • 37 Becky
        July 27, 2009 at 6:56 pm

        I know. And isn’t Joe’s birthday the 17th of August. Maybe both families can celebrate together πŸ™‚

      • 38 Becky
        July 28, 2009 at 12:45 am

        Ah, thank you. Hey, Demi just tweeted she wanted to throw a big party this year. Her and Joe should throw a double bday party. Since their bday’s are only 5 days apart.

      • 39 kATHY
        July 28, 2009 at 1:43 am

        that would just be awesome & maybe she could post pic.s if it happens. who knows! anything can happen πŸ˜€

    • 40 XxJemiLoverForeverxX
      July 27, 2009 at 7:52 pm

      True Haha, I Really Don’t Like When They Say People Are MEANT For Eachother But Don’t Tell Us WHY There Ment To be, And Now We Have Some Proff Jemi Is Meant To Be

      • 41 Becky
        July 27, 2009 at 8:05 pm

        Haha, yeah ik. This gives us JEMI fans hope now. And Demi did say that you never know what could happen when asked about dating a jonas brother in one of her webchats. I can’t remember the exact quote but it was along those lines I think. Now all we have to do is get someone to ask them that question again and see what they say now.

  16. 42 josephine m
    July 27, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    im sorry its can hold out to than lol

    • 43 Becky
      July 27, 2009 at 6:25 pm

      It’s alright. πŸ™‚ Got to let it out somehow right.

  17. 44 lizzie
    July 27, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    you made my day lol

  18. 45 josephine m
    July 27, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    hey guys good to see my lovely jeminians have faith again we just have to keep rooting for jemi and push them and whenever it finally happens they would know they had dedicated fans behind them who love them and think their cutest couple ever

    • 46 Becky
      July 27, 2009 at 9:57 pm

      Of course!! Us Jemi fans have to stick together. You know whats funny. Even non jemi fans think Joe and Demi would make a cute and better couple. πŸ™‚

  19. 47 Becky
    July 27, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    Hey everyone go over to the following link and comment up a storm: http://www.twistmagazine.com/2009/07/daily-battle-who-should-joe-da.html, so far the comments are pretty much half and half.

    • 48 nicole
      July 29, 2009 at 1:41 am

      i was reading the comments and demi commented on it

      • 49 Becky
        July 29, 2009 at 6:20 am

        that was someone posing as demi. it wasn’t really her.

  20. 50 Becky
    July 28, 2009 at 8:40 am

    Hey guys, didn’t know where to post this. but just came across an article from Demi’s show in cleveland, and she told the audience that “Stop The World” is about falling in love with someone you can’t have. Hmm…could she be talking about a certain Jonas maybe :] haha

  21. 51 josephine m
    July 28, 2009 at 11:59 am

    i sure hope so becky lol and maybe that little cant have u thing can change fingers crossed,just a few more weeks til tca cr2 filming and her performing at some of their tour dates this fall come on jemi break down those walls look at whats in front of you lol

  22. July 28, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    when is exactly the date of cr2 filming??? i will stay tune for every jemi update during the cr2 filming πŸ˜€

    is is demi also participating in their (JB) european tour dates??? wow that should be awesome for Jemi !!!!!

  23. 53 josephine m
    July 28, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    im pretty sure its the beginning of september when filming and she suppose to be at some of their european tour dates ,also i was looking at yt and twitter lately i didnt realize there were so many jemi fans every where

    • 54 o7rjche
      July 28, 2009 at 6:02 pm

      oh yeah. they are trying to make #Jemi a trending topic. and I’m one of them. lol I think I heard about Demi not going to JB’s european tour anymore because of schedule conflicts so Jordin will be with them for the rest of the tour and replace Demi. I think I read an article about that a few weeks ago, I just don’t remember where.

    • 55 Becky
      July 28, 2009 at 6:33 pm

      Hey Josephine m. Yeah I know. I can’t wait for the filming to start on CR2. I think it does start in September. I remember Demi saying that they start filming after she gets off tour and before the jobros start there european tour. Hopefully Demi will go on the european dates. Yeah, there are a lot of jemi fans. What’s funny is that the ppl who weren’t jemi fans before are fans now. πŸ™‚

  24. 56 josephine m
    July 28, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    haha i know i think in the back of their minds they know demi is the perfect girl for joe and joe is the perfect guy for demi becky lol so lets keep that jemi power going lol

    • 57 Becky
      July 28, 2009 at 8:03 pm

      I’m so there with you! lol. I don’t care what Demi said in the Sugar interview.

  25. 58 josephine m
    July 28, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    what she say in the sugar interview

    • 59 Becky
      July 28, 2009 at 11:26 pm

      This is what she said in the British magazine Sugar: As for her other celebrity friends, the Jonas Brothers, Lovato told the magazine: “Everyone asks me if I fancy them, but I totally don’t!” than at the end the mag asks this; As for her other celebrity friends, the Jonas Brothers, Lovato told the magazine: Are you sure, Demi? Joe Jonas is single now. Just sayin.

  26. 60 josephine m
    July 28, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    lol nevermind i see it thats nothing big she always says that but things change demi especially when in the right moments and situation hints tremi and jomilla breakup same month also before the filming of the most anticpating movie on disney which the costar oppoisite love interest ,im still holding out til i get proof one of went off and got married to somebody else lol

    • 61 Becky
      July 29, 2009 at 12:06 am

      I hear ya on that one josephine m. Until one of them gets married to somebody else, i still have faith and hope that they will get together. I know right. I say it’s fate that both couples broke up the same month just before filming starts on CR2. Can we say coincedence. lol.

  27. 62 you go, glen coco, you go!
    July 28, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    they’re starting to wear lots of pink and black..

    • 63 Becky
      July 29, 2009 at 12:11 am

      You know what, your right. Both Joe and Demi are starting to wear lots of pink and black. Joe in the pink shirt is hot!! Only he could pull something like that off and still look gorgeous! And looks like the same beaded necklace and the multiple bracelets on the left wrist. I wanna see Joe wear the gold penguin pins that Demi got him for xmas. Haven’t seen him wear them yet. Also the same with the bracelet the boys got her 4 xmas.

      • 64 Dana
        July 29, 2009 at 3:18 am

        I’m not absolutely positive, but I am pretty sure Demi has worn the bracelet that they got her. I remember from the interview that they said that it was big and spiky and i know she had a spiky bracelet on for the interview during the Wal-Mart soundcheck and there are many pictures in the lyric book of her new cd where she is wearing spiky bracelets, so we can only hope. I also would like to know what else Demi got them fro Christmas because maybe he is wearing something she got him. hmmmm… lol

  28. July 29, 2009 at 1:23 am

    oceanup just posted that Tay Swift rumoured to attend the JB concert
    hmmm what does that mean? Joe back with her again?
    confuse >.<

    • 66 Becky
      July 29, 2009 at 1:32 am

      I thought she was on tour also.

      • July 29, 2009 at 2:51 am

        ya someone just confirmed that she’s in nashville
        maybe they only guess the girl look like Tay is Tay but she’s not

    • 68 kATHY
      July 29, 2009 at 3:02 am

      ew! weird, that would just be odd, cause i heard on the radio the other day that “taylor would like to stay single, that the her music is her boyfriend”

  29. 69 kATHY
    July 29, 2009 at 3:00 am

    i thought they supposed to be in St. Louis, Missouri today, (iwent to the their myspace.com/jonasbrothers) to take a look………………………………… EW taylor U_U

    • 70 Becky
      July 29, 2009 at 4:26 am

      yeah, it was just confirmed by taylor on twitter that she is @ home, so she couldn’t of been at the concert.

      • 71 kATHY
        July 29, 2009 at 4:29 am

        *gasp* good, let’s try to keep it like that and perez hilton was just saying that it was just a rumor started… blah blah blah

      • 72 kATHY
        July 29, 2009 at 5:46 pm

        ooo, srry i was just watching demi’s facebook live chat’S, like in one of them how she said “if she can be dating joe (as one of the heartrob’s out there), that she actually find it flaterring” or in one other video, she says to fans, “she wouldn’t mind dating a jonas someday” (SOMETHING LIKE I”VE FORGOTTEN) ^_^

    • 73 kATHY
      July 29, 2009 at 5:12 am

      i’m missing jemi, will camp rock 2 filming get started already! (was just watching demi reactions on her and joe dating answers; from fans)

      • 74 Becky
        July 29, 2009 at 6:14 am

        What did she say? And was this recently that she answered the questions from fans? Was this at the recent concert? I know I cant wait for CR2 to start filming. We know we’ll get a whole bunch of Jemi moments.

  30. 75 Becky
    July 29, 2009 at 4:24 am

    Dana, good thinking. Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing Demi wearing like a bracelet with spikes on it during her walmart soundcheck. That could’ve been the gift from the guys. Or I was thinking that it could also one of the shiny bracelet that she wears during her concerts. I remember the radio disney interview that they all did after new years, demi did say she got them something else besides getting joe the gold penguins. Maybe demi got joe the necklace that he’s been seen wearing(i know i’m just dreaming on that one) but you never know.

  31. 76 chaw-lee.
    July 29, 2009 at 6:04 am

    demi’s current favorite song off the album is Stop The World!
    (from katie & karleigh’s new demi interview)

    • 77 Becky
      July 29, 2009 at 6:23 am

      Really? Is that her way of telling us something in only a way devoted demi and Jemi fans would understand it…lol. I would’ve thought she would’ve said the John Mayer collaboration, but she says the one song that she collaborated on with a jonas brother. Hmm….lol

      • 78 o7rjche
        July 29, 2009 at 7:05 am

        oh and if you look at the lyrics.. “You said ‘nobody has to know’, give us time to grow, and take it slow” don’t you think there’s something more into it? I mean I think they are just waiting for the right time to tell everyone and writing a song with Nick (a Jonas) is just an alibi or maybe Nick and Jonas’ staff and Demi planned the song to be connected with jemi because they know about them. lol I think I’m thinking too much. But I really think that line from the song has a deeper meaning. πŸ™‚

    • 79 kATHY
      July 29, 2009 at 6:10 pm

      oo that’s true, i saw online somewhere, that that’s her fav. song on the album.

  32. 80 Becky
    July 29, 2009 at 7:16 am

    No I dont think your thinking too much. I agree. I have been listening to her songs non stop since it came out and everytime I hear Stop The World, I think of Joe and Demi. I do it to all her songs, I try to see if I can figure out the deeper meaning behind them. lol. This song, especially that line, it seems like they want to say soemthing but dont want to at the same time. if that makes sense. Like everyone around them knows something should happen between them, but demi and joe. i hope that all made sense. lol

    • 81 o7rjche
      July 29, 2009 at 7:47 am

      lol that’s what I meant. I think they are saying that they can’t stop the world(haters) from hating them if they will be together. and in this line ‘but i’d stop the world, if it finally let us be alone’, i really think that they want the acceptance of people. πŸ˜›

      • 82 kATHY
        July 29, 2009 at 6:11 pm

        what your saying makes sense! i agree with you

  33. 83 josephine m
    July 29, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    i think its about joe too and i really think if they got together people would actually support them they have a lot of fans even non jemi shippers think they are adorable when they get together for instance my cousin is in love with joe and hates any girl joe is with but she said demi is probably the only girl she’ll accept with him lol even if it kills her inside haha ,also on the katie and karliegh interview she said lines,vines and trying times is her favorite album this year hmm and demi is number 1 on billboard top 200 im so proud of her jemi needs to be a young power couple already lol

  34. 84 BeckyheartsJemi
    July 29, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Hi everybody,I’m a long time Jemi fan and a lurker on this site.I agree with everyone on’Can’t stop the world’ that line:β€œYou said β€˜nobody has to know’, give us time to grow, and take it slow’ could mean that Joe doesn’t want them to go public until she is older.Also her album thankyous state that: β€œeven though we can’t stop the world… I can promise you will have my heart forever?” That screams Jemi love to me! Am I looking to far into this?

  35. 85 josephine m
    July 29, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    okay guys go to youtube type joe&demi breathless theres 3 videos for them with that song its so beautiful i almost cried go look and see if you like it its so awww lol i watched a million times already and its still so beautiful

    • 86 kATHY
      July 29, 2009 at 6:07 pm

      aw omg! thank you for that YT videos of jemi “breathless” i almost cried

    • 87 Becky
      July 29, 2009 at 7:01 pm

      Hola, I agree. As many time as I watch that video, I still get teary eyed and goosebumps.

  36. 88 o7rjche
    July 29, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    I just went to JonasHQ.org and looked at the pictures on the premiere of ponyo. Joe looked really really happy like Camilla was never in his life. He is like the Joe we loved. Look at him smile here: http://jonasphotos.org/displayimage.php?album=1831&pos=45 it’s really different from when he was dating “her”. πŸ˜€

    • 89 kATHY
      July 29, 2009 at 6:14 pm

      Demi probably talked to him with positive thoughts, so that made him cheer up. πŸ˜€

      • 90 Becky
        July 29, 2009 at 6:56 pm

        Yeah, I think he did call Demi to talk. And I think that Joe called Demi after Trace and her broke up. They gave each other positive thoughts. πŸ™‚ and Josephine m, I love that yt video!! I watch it all the time. and everytime I do, I just want to cry!!

      • 91 kATHY
        July 29, 2009 at 7:56 pm

        lol your right probably did happen. they’re like PP & J. They stick together no matter what.

        man, can’t wait to see her in concert! eepp!

  37. 92 josephine m
    July 29, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    lol i know somebody should send it to joe or demi but joe especially he loves watching jemi videos lol

    • 93 Becky
      July 29, 2009 at 7:22 pm

      Yeah, he does like to watch them. lol. someone should so send it to him and demi. going to watch more jemi videos on yt after lunch.

  38. 94 josephine m
    July 29, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    demi seems like in a good mood on twitter hmm i wonder why lol

    • 95 Becky
      July 29, 2009 at 8:36 pm

      I was just about to say that. lol. It’s obviously the number one album and a certain single guy. lol.

    • 96 Becky
      July 30, 2009 at 6:04 am

      And demi just tweeted LO<E like an hour ago. And just now tweeted; "I swear, you make perfection jealous."

  39. 97 o7rjche
    July 29, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    ‘Demi Lovato new Associated Press interview: How do you meet boys? I love boys, (laughs) but, you know, at the same time, it’s like, I’m not going to go out there and date every single guy that I want. I might, you know, get their number and talk to them a little bit, but there is nothing wrong with that, I’m 16.

    I don’t really like relationships. I’d rather have a lot of really cute guy friends. That’s why, another reason why you never really see me ‘with somebody’ like for a long time. Cause it’s like I’d rather have a lot of really cute guy friends that you can have the attention from by flirting with them, but you don’t have to kiss them and you don’t have to be tied down to anybody. ‘

    sounds like she’s describing someone? I think saying ‘friends’, which is plural, is just an alibi. Maybe she’s thinking of a certain single someone. lol πŸ˜€

    I saw this one on oceanup: http://www.oceanup.com/2009/07/demi-i-dont-really-like-relationships.html

  40. 98 josephine m
    July 29, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    i sooo think jemi really like eachother but just dont want to admit it because their afriad it would ruin their bff relationship,but i think they would last a long time

  41. 99 kATHY
    July 29, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    CHECK THIS OUT demi through the year have only brought and really listened to JB’s CD

    HOW CUTE πŸ™‚

  42. 100 you go, glen coco, you go!
    July 29, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    yay for beanies ! πŸ˜›
    the color may look a little bit different though.

    • 101 kATHY
      July 30, 2009 at 12:08 am

      yea, close, they probably have almost the same kind of wear drobe

      • 102 Becky
        July 31, 2009 at 7:04 pm

        I was thinking that too. Love the beanie Demi wears. Joe has a red one and Demi has a green one. That’s cool. They do go shopping together.

      • 103 kATHY
        July 31, 2009 at 7:36 pm

        ahh i know!, & its so cute

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